‘You’re the president – you’re not someone’s crazy uncle!’ Donald Trump spars with Savannah Guthrie at town hall, saying he CAN’T REMEMBER when he tested negative for COVID and clashes over taxes and tweets (making Biden’s dueling event seem very sleepy)
- Donald Trump took part in a combative town hall with NBC News on Thursday – with a split-screen as Joe Biden took part in one on ABC News at the same time
- Trump sparred with NBC News’ Savannah Guthrie over wearing a face mask, denouncing white supremacy, and the QAnon conspiracy group
- ‘Let’s waste a whole show,’ he snapped at her when she asked him about the retweets on his Twitter feed, which have contained QAnon conspiracy theories and unproven claims about Osama bin Laden
- ‘You’re not somebody’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever,’ Guthrie told him
- The town hall, which took the place of the second presidential debate scheduled for Thursday night in Miami, had many memorable moments – most combative and some just unusual
- The evening started out with the president saying he can’t remember when he last tested negative for the coronavirus before he was diagnosed with it on October 3
- Hunter Biden’s emails and the storm over Twitter banning distribution of stories about them was mentioned by neither candidate or network
- The conflicting town hall broadcasts came about after the Commission on Presidential Debates canceled the previously scheduled October 15 debate because Trump refused to do a virtual debate
Donald Trump engaged in a combative town hall with NBC News on Thursday night, a contentious evening that found the president struggling to answer questions about his COVID testing, his taxes and his debt.
The one-hour event seemed more like a boxing match than an interview and discussion with voters as Trump sparred with Savannah Guthrie over wearing a face mask, denouncing white supremacy and the QAnon conspiracy group.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden was questioned by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in Philadelphia, to an audience of undecided voters and set a far more sedate tone on an evening which should have seen them face off in debate, until Trump refused to accept a decision to make the debate remote.
The split-screen town halls could not have been more different: while Stephanopoulus barely interrupted Biden, in Miami Guthrie asked more questions than the undecided voters the evening was dedicated to and challenged Trump repeatedly in a way the president doesn’t usually experience, given his preference for interviews with friendlier news outlets.
‘Let’s waste a whole show,’ he snapped at her when she asked him about the retweets on his Twitter feed, which have contained QAnon conspiracy theories and unproven claims Seal Team Six killed Osama bin Laden’s body double.
‘You’re not somebody’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever,’ Guthrie told him as she pressed him on the issue.
She kept the president on his toes with quick questions and repeated follow ups, pushing him to answer questions he tried to deflect away – which conservative backers of Trump said was proof of media bias.
But soon after the debate ended, Trump’s campaign boasted he had ‘defeated opponent’ Guthrie, saying he had ‘masterfully handled her attacks’.
During the evening, the president appeared to admit he owes more than $400 million to creditors, denied knowing about QAnon while praising them for fighting pedophilia, and declined to say if he was tested for COVID the day of his first presidential debate.
Unmentioned by either ABC or NBC or by Trump or Biden were Hunter Biden’s emails, which were revealed by Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, earlier this week and raised questions over his business dealings in Ukraine and China and whether he used his father to further them. Also unmentioned was the storm over Twitter banning distribution of stories about the email on its platform.
The NBC hall had many memorable moments – most combative and some just unusual. One of those came when Paulette Dale, described as leaning toward voting for Joe Biden, appeared to flirt with the president. ‘I have to say, you have a great smile. You’re so handsome when you smile,’ she told him. ‘Thank you,’ Trump said as the audience applauded.
The evening started out with the president saying he can’t remember when he last tested negative for the coronavirus before he was diagnosed with it on October 3
‘Let’s waste a whole show,’ he snapped at her when she asked him about the retweets on his Twitter feed, which have contained QAnon conspiracy theories and unproven claims Seal Team Six killed Osama bin Laden’s body double. ‘You’re not somebody’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever,’ Guthrie told him as she pressed him on the issue
Trump said he felt ‘fantastically’ at the debate and there ‘was no problem.’ ‘I was in great shape for the debate,’ he repeated. Pictured: Trump touches his nose part during a live one-hour NBC News town hall forum with a group of Florida voters in Miami
After the debate, Trump met with supporters and audience members outside the town hall event as they clamored for a photo of the President
The town hall, which took the place of the second presidential debate scheduled for Thursday night in Miami, had many memorable moments – most combative and some just unusual. One of those came when Paulette Dale (left), described as leaning toward voting for Joe Biden, appeared to flirt with the president. ‘I have to say, you have a great smile. You’re so handsome when you smile,’ she told him. ‘Thank you,’ Trump said as the audience applauded
Outside the Perez Art Museum, protesters gathered to demonstrate against Donald Trump, with Biden supporters waving placards branding the President a racist
The evening started out with the president saying he can’t remember when he last tested negative for the coronavirus before he was diagnosed with it on October 3.
Pressed repeatedly by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, Trump couldn’t say if he was tested for the disease on the day of the first presidential debate with Democratic nominee Joe Biden.
‘Did you test the day of the debate?,’ Guthrie asked him.
‘I don’t know. I don’t even remember,’ Trump responded.
Donald Trump was combative throughout his town hall meeting with NBC News on Thursday night, a contentious evening that found the president struggling to answer questions about his COVID testing, his taxes, his debt and a host of other issues
Trump waves after the tough debate where he clashed many times with host Savannah Guthrie after he refused to take part in a virtual debate with Biden
Supporters of Trump gathered outside the debate, with one woman donning a mask and decking herself out in various Trump regalia
The president said he doesn’t get tested for COVID every day. ‘No but I take a lot of tests,’ he said.
The White House has repeatedly refused to answer when the president last tested negative before he tested positive.
Before his September 29 debate with Biden, Trump attended two events at the White House – a Rose Garden ceremony for his Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett and an East Room event for Gold Star families – where several attendees later tested positive for COVID.
Trump said he felt ‘fantastically’ at the debate and there ‘was no problem.’
‘I was in great shape for the debate. And it was only after the debate, like a period of time, after the debate,’ Trump said, that he started feeling poorly.
An anti-Trump protester is detained by police outside the venue where the debate took place as tensions grow in the fiery election campaign
A Trump supporter wore a t-shirt which read ‘Proud Boys did nothing wrong’, a reference to the far-right group which Trump told in the previous debate to ‘stand back and stand by’
On ABC Biden was questioned by George Stephanopoulos in Philadelphia, to an audience of undecided voters and set a far more sedate tone
At one point during a commercial break, Trump took out a tissue and dabbed at his nose.
On the back of his right hand there were large band aids, suggesting he is receiving intravenous fluids, despite claiming to be ‘medication free’ after his battle with coronavirus.
He was previously seen with similar band aids on Saturday. They were placed in a spot that is commonly used to deliver IV fluids or medications. Much less commonly, it could be used as a site to draw blood for tests, if veins in the arm were difficult to access, a medical expert previously told DailyMail.com.
Trump says ‘people can decide for themselves’ if Osama bin Laden’s body double was killed
Earlier this week, Trump re-posted a conspiracy theory that the Navy SEAL team who took down Osama bin Laden actually killed his body double so the team was then killed by the Obama administration.
‘That was a retweet. That was an opinion of somebody. And that was a retweet,’ Trump said when he was questioned about the tweet during his town hall with NBC News Thursday evening.
‘I’ll put it out there. People can decide for themselves. I won’t take a position,’ the president continued.
Town hall moderator, NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie, who started off the evening by interrogating the president on a variety of topics, pushed Trump on his claim that his retweets don’t take a stance.
‘I don’t get that, you’re the president,’ Guthrie pressed. ‘You’re not like someone’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever.’
Earlier this week, Trump re-posted a conspiracy theory that the Navy SEAL team who took down Osama bin Laden actually killed his body double so the team was then killed by the Obama administration
The questions over conspiracies, and Trump’s refusal to denounce them, came after he reposted a tweet questioning the validity of whether SEAL Team Six actually killed Osama bin Laden. The former Navy SEAL (pictured) who shot bin Laden dead hit out at the QAnon conspiracy theory pushed by Trump on his Twitter that claims Biden had SEAL Team Six killed after the raid
O’Neill is a Trump fan but hit out at the president over his retweets of the claims
‘That was a retweet,’ Trump insisted. ‘And I do a lot of retweets. And frankly, because the media is so fake, and so corrupt, if I didn’t have social media – I don’t call it Twitter, I call it social media – I wouldn’t be able to get the word out.’
The questions over conspiracies, and Trump’s refusal to denounce them, came after he reposted a tweet questioning the validity of whether SEAL Team Six actually killed Osama bin Laden.
The former Navy SEAL who shot bin Laden dead hit out at the QAnon conspiracy theory pushed by Trump on his Twitter that claims Biden had SEAL Team Six killed after the raid.
Robert O’Neill, 44, appeared with Chris Cuomo on CNN on Wednesday night to voice his disgust that the ‘highest-ranking person in the country’ would be ‘trampling on the graves of some of the best heroes’ by claiming the team had not killed Bin Laden.
The online theory has suggested that former Navy SEAL Robert O’Neill only killed a body double of bin Laden in the 2011 raid and that the Obama and Biden administration were implicated in the killing of the mission’s team to cover it up. It also claims that bin Laden is still alive.
The idea was formed by QAnon, the far-right conspiracy theory centered on the baseless belief that Trump is secretly fighting enemies in the ‘deep state’ and a child sex trafficking ring run by satanic pedophiles and cannibals.
Trump says QAnon ‘are strongly against pedophilia’ as he is challenged on conspiracy theory tweets
The president was questioned on another conspiracy theory, QAnon, before voters were given a chance to ask Trump their questions.
‘I wanted to ask you about QAnon – it is this theory that Democrats are a satanic pedophile ring, and you are the savior of that. Now can you just, once and for all, state that that is completely not true. So disavow QAnon in its entirety,’ Guthrie prompted in a contentious exchange with the president.
‘I know nothing about QAnon. I know very little,’ Trump claimed.
‘I just told you,’ she pressed.
‘You told me, but what you tell me doesn’t necessarily make it fact – I hate to say that,’ Trump pushed back. ‘I know nothing about it. I know they are very much against pedophilia, they fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it.’
Guthrie tried another approach by inciting remarks from Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska – who in the past has clashed with Trump.
‘Republican Senator Ben Sasse said quote QAnon is nuts and real leaders call conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories,’ she said.
‘He may be right,’ Trump concede.
‘Why not just say it’s crazy and not true?’ she asked of the QAnon conspiracy theory.
‘Can I be honest, he may be right. I just don’t know about QAnon,’ he repeated.
‘You do know,’ she claimed.
‘I don’t know. You tell me all about it,’ he said. ‘Let’s waste the whole show. You started off with White Supremacy, I denounce it. You start off with something else. Let’s go, keep asking me these questions.’
‘But let me just tell you, what I do hear about it is they are very strongly against pedophilia. And I agree with that. I mean, I do agree with that and I agree with it strongly,’ he said.
Trump also defended his decision not to wear a face mask. ‘People with masks are catching it all the time,’ he argued. He pointed to the Democratic Governor of Virginia Ralph Northam and Republican Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina testing positive despite repeatedly wearing masks
Donald Trump says his $750 bill was ‘a filing fee’ and that he ‘probably’ owes foreign entities as part of his $400 million debt – which he calls ‘very low’
Trump appeared to confirm key elements of reporting that his income tax bill in 2016 was just $750 while holding debts worth hundreds of millions, even as he said publication of his tax return information was ‘illegal.’
‘I think that’s a filing number. You pay $750, it’s a filing or a filing fee,’ Trump responding, appearing to confirm the bottom line assessment that the billionaire paid a fraction of what millions of Americans pay in federal income taxes.
Trump also did not knock down Times reporting, based on years of tax returns the paper said it obtained, that he owed $421 million in debts that would come due in his next term, many to foreign entities.
‘What they did is illegal, number one. Also, the numbers are all wrong with the numbers that were released. And just so you understand, when you have a lot of real estate, I have a real estate, you know a lot of it. Okay?’ Trump began.
But then he appeared to confirm the multi-million debt when he told NBC’s Savannah Guthrie it was just a fraction compared to his assets, and labeled himself ‘under-levered.’
Trump plugged a few of his properties, including the Doral golf club where he and secret service agents frequently stay when he visits Florida as he did Thursday.
‘Right down the road, Doral. Big stuff. Great stuff. I’m very under – when I decided to run, I’m very under-levered fortunately. I’m very under-levered,’ Trump said, using a word similar to the common financial term leveraged.
‘I have a very, very small percentage of debt compared – in fact, some of it i did as favors to institutions that wanted to loan me money,’ Trump claimed, without further explanation.
‘Four hundred million, compared to the assets that I have, all of these great properties all over the world, And frankly – the Bank of America Building in San Francisco. I don’t love what’s happening to San Francisco …’ he said.
Trump said unprompted that ‘I don’t owe Russia money,’ but didn’t give a clear answer when asked if he owed to foreign entities.
‘Not that I know of but I will probably because it’s so easy to solve. And if you’d like to do. I will let you know who — who I owe whatever small amount of money,’ Trump told his interviewer.
President Donald Trump appeared to confirm key elements of reporting about his extraordinary $750 federal income tax bill in 2016, which he said was a ‘filing fee,’ while appearing to confirm he has hundreds in millions of debt but is ‘very under-levered’
The New York Times obtained Trump tax returns showing he paid just $750 in income taxes on his 2016 return despite claiming to be worth billions at the time
He said it was ‘a very small amount of money.’ He added: ‘It’s very straight. It’s very, very straight. But it’s a tiny percentage of the worth.’
He once again turned down a chance to say he would release his returns when asked. ‘I’m under audit. it turned out that I am under audit,’ Trump said.
He also complained about the IRS, claiming he was getting unfair political treatment. ‘No person in their right mind would release prior to working out the deal with the IRS,’ he said. ‘I’m treated very badly by the IRS. They treat me very, very badly. You have people in there from previous administrations treat me very badly. But we’re under are under audit. It’s very routine in many ways.’
‘They like to change the game, change the rules, do everything,’ he said.
As he did four years ago, Trump said he wants to release his returns.
‘I would love to release them and as soon as we come to a conclusion, I will release them. And very gladly,’ he said.
He said of the Times: ‘I can tell you this, if they have my tax returns as you know, they have to go to jail. It’s illegal.’ It is a crime for a government employee to leak personal tax return information, but it is not known to be a crime for the Times to possess or publish it.
Trump also defended his decision not to wear a face mask.
‘People with masks are catching it all the time,’ he argued. He pointed to the Democratic Governor of Virginia Ralph Northam and Republican Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina testing positive despite repeatedly wearing masks.
‘Just the other day they came out with a statement that 85% of the people that wear masks catch it,’ he said.
Trump likely got the number from an article on the right-wing news site The Blaze, which said of those surveyed who had contracted COVID-19 85 percent ‘always’ or ‘often’ wore face coverings.
Mediaite reported that the number came from a CDC paper that found that 71 percent of COVID-positive study participants reported always wearing masks, while another 14 percent said they often wore masks, in the two weeks leading up to their coronavirus diagnosis.
The paper found that a slightly bigger group, 74 percent, said they always wore masks and didn’t contract COVID-19.
When asked by Isabella Pena, the daughter of two frontline health workers, if his opinion had changed on wearing a mask after his Covid-19 diagnosis, Trump said: No, because I was okay with the masks. I was good with it.’
‘But I’ve heard many different stories on masks,’ Trump said, one of many times he’s talked about masks as a ‘both sides’ issue.
Trump commented after once again boarding Air Force One and appearing at rallies without a mask, and even coming back to talk to reporters without a mask on a flight Wednesday. Then he told a story he also mentioned in the first presidential debate.
‘People – they bring meals. I had an instance recently where a very wonderful person is bringing me a meal. And he’s playing with his mask and he’s touching his mask all over the place. And then he’s bringing a plate in. And I’m saying I don’t know if that’s so good,’ Trump said.
This time, he revealed he turned down the food.
‘I didn’t eat it, okay? I decided not to eat it. This was a month ago.’
He specifically mentioned the event with Gold Star families (pictured on September 27) where, afterward, several high ranking members of the military went into quarantine after a few of them tested positive. ‘I want to see the Gold Star families,’ Trump said. ‘I want to see everybody.
Pressed by Guthrie, Trump defended himself and pointed to disagreement in the early days of the pandemic. Now his team says it could save thousands of lives if more people wore masks.
‘Look, you have, on the masks, a story where they want, a story where they don’t want. I am all for it,’ Trump said.
Guthrie brought up a Washington University study that masks could have a major impact reducing deaths.
Trump countered by bringing up his controversial advisor Dr. Scott Atlas, who is not an infectious disease expert and has promoted controversial ideas on herd immunity.
‘And then you have other people that disagree. Scott Atkins [Atlas]. If you look at Scott, Dr. Scott. He’s from great guy – Stanford. One of the great experts of the world,’ Trump said. He was referring to Atlas.
Trump also defended his decision to quickly get back to work and on the campaign trail after having COVID.
‘As President, I have to be out there. I can’t be in a basement. I can’t be locked in a very beautiful room someplace in the White House,’ he said.
He specifically mentioned the event with Gold Star families where, afterward, several high ranking members of the military went into quarantine after a few of them tested positive.
‘I want to see the Gold Star families,’ Trump said. ‘I want to see everybody.’
But he said he wasn’t blaming the families – who lost a loved one in service to the country – for infecting him.
‘No I don’t know where it came from,’ he said. ‘You don’t know where it came from; the doctors don’t know where it came from.’
The commission offered the hold the debate in a virtual capacity, but the motion was refused by Trump who called the suggestion a ‘waste’ of his time.
ABC quickly slated a Joe Biden town hall in the same time slot as when the virtual debate would’ve been held.
Following lengthy negotiations, NBC, which made Trump a household name with its series The Apprentice, booked him for a town hall airing at exactly the same time – a scheduling decision that has drawn wide criticism.
In the Thursday letter, the coalition of entertainers and executives said their critique is not the result of a ‘partisan issue. This is about the political health of our democracy.’
‘We believe this kind of indifference to the norms and rules of our democracy are what have brought our country to this perilous state,’ the letter said.
Democratic Presidential candidate and former US Vice President Joe Biden (L) and moderator George Stephanopoulos arrive for an ABC News town hall event at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia
Trump himself spoke about Thursday night’s town hall during a rally in Greenville, North Carolina this afternoon, calling the event a ‘set up’. ‘So you know I’m being set up tonight, right?,’ Trump told the gathered crowd. ‘So, I’m doing this town hall with Concast — C-O-N, right? Con, because it’s a con job. … So, I’m doing it, and it’s NBC. The worst’
President Donald J. Trump’s supporters gather next to Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden’s supporters as they attend a demonstration in front of the Perez Art Museum where US President Donald J. Trump will attend a NBC News Town Hall in Miami
Trump called NBC’s town hall with Biden earlier this month ‘a joke’ and, without offering evidence, accused the network of not treating both candidates fairly
‘We are simply asking that NBC air the President’s town hall either before or after Vice President Biden’s so that American voters can have the opportunity to watch both.
‘We understand the necessities of business, especially in this difficult time. But we believe there are larger issues of civic responsibility at stake here,’ the letter continued.
Among those leading the charge was Dan Fogelman, the mind behind NBC’s smash-hit series This Is Us, with cast members Sterling K. Brown, Mandy Moore and Milo Ventimiglia also named among the signees.
A number of other prominent current and former NBCUniversal stars and producers are also named among the 105 co-signers of the letter, including Law & Order: Special Victims Unit Executive Producer Neal Baer.
Other big names include producer Ryan Murphy, who created The New Normal, in addition to actor-producer Ben Stiller, and Family Guy creator Seth Macfarlane, who recently signed a $200m production deal with NBCU.
Trump himself spoke about Thursday night’s town hall during a rally in Greenville, North Carolina this afternoon, calling the event a ‘set up’.
‘So you know I’m being set up tonight, right?,’ Trump told the gathered crowd. ‘So, I’m doing this town hall with Concast — C-O-N, right? Con, because it’s a con job. … So, I’m doing it, and it’s NBC. The worst.’
He also had some sarcastic remarks for the event’s moderator, Savannah Guthrie, who he said is ‘always lovely’ in an insincere tone.
Trump called NBC’s town hall with Biden earlier this month ‘a joke’ and, without offering evidence, accused the network of not treating both candidates fairly.
But he said he was eager to participate in the event, describing it as a ‘free; opportunity for him to reach more voters.
‘So, they asked me if I’d do it and I figured, what the hell, we get a free hour on television,’ Trump said. ‘So, I’ll see you later on NBC. I look forward to it.’
Joe Biden says he IS open to court-packing despite not being a ‘fan’ – and will tell voters his final position before election day once he sees what happens to Amy Coney Barrett
‘I have not been a fan of court-packing because it generates, whoever wins it just keeps moving in a way that is inconsistent with what is going to be manageable,’ Biden said Thursday night at an ABC News townhall.
But with prodding from George Stephanopoulos, Biden said it would be something he’d consider though it ‘depends on how this turns out,’ telling the ABC News anchor he would announce a clear position by the November 3 presidential election.
Democratic nominee Joe Biden (left) was asked by a Pennsylvania voter Thursday night about court-packing and explained that while he’s ‘not a fan’ he could be open to it if Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation gets rushed
‘They do have a right to know where I stand and they’ll have a right to know where I stand before they vote,’ Biden told Stephanopoulos, who then pressed him to answer in the affirmative about whether the Democratic nominee would articulate a ‘clear position by election day.’
Biden has been getting hit by Trump-aligned Republicans for refusing to say if he’d support a liberal-pushed idea to ‘pack’ the Supreme Court, to offset conservative gains from the Trump years.
The former vice president has been wishy-washy about giving an answer.
Biden told Stephanopoulos he wasn’t answering the question purposely because he thought it served as a distraction.
‘You know if I had answered the question directly then all the focus would be on, ‘What’s Biden going to do if he wins?’ Instead of on, ‘Is it appropriate what is going on now” Biden said. ‘This is the thing the president loves to do, always take our eye off the ball.’
The ex-veep said he’s missed most of the Barrett hearings that took place in the Senate Judiciary Committee starting Monday.
‘My reading online what the judge said was that she didn’t answer very many questions at all and I don’t think she laid out much of a judicial philosophy,’ Biden said.
Biden had also specifically been asked about LGBT rights and answered, ‘I think there’s great reason to be concerned.’
Biden said he believed it was ‘inconsistent’ with the Constitution to push Barrett through ‘once an election begins’ because the only role voters have in picking Supreme Court justices is voting for president and for senators.
The former vice president said he’d have to see ‘if there’s actually real live debate on the floor’ before he would come to a decision about court packing.
He said he couldn’t recall a ‘controversial justice’ whose nomination has ‘gone through in a day.’
‘It depends on how much they rush this,’ Biden said.
IF I LOSE IT’S BECAUSE I WAS A LOUSY CANDIDATE
‘Well, could say I’m a lousy candidate and I didn’t do a job,’ Biden said when asked how he would interpret a loss. ‘But I think, I hope, that it doesn’t say that we are racially, ethnically and religiously at odds with one another as it appears the president wants us to be.’
Biden said he’d go back to being a college professor, though told a voter at his Philadelphia ABC News town hall that he wouldn’t likely be able to have much influence on a Trump second term.
Democratic nominee Joe Biden said that if he loses to President Donald Trump it might indicate that he was a ‘lousy candidate’
Joe Biden (left) participating in a town hall with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos (right) said he thought it would be ‘very hard’ to have any influence on a Trump second term if he loses
‘Well, to be very honest with you, I think that’s very hard,’ Biden replied when asked how he would use his platform to urge Trump and Trump’s supporters ‘toward the ideals of a more perfect union.’
‘Things have not lent themselves to him learning from what’s happened, what’s come before,’ Biden continued.
He pointed to the president’s December impeachment.
‘Instead of being chastened by being one of the few presidents, the only president to be impeached and have a member of his own party vote to expel him, it emboldened him,’ Biden said.
Trump was impeached over a pressure campaign to have the Ukrainian president announce investigations into Biden and his son Hunter.
‘So what I’ll do, hopefully I’ll go back to being a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and making the case that I have made at the Biden Institute at the University of Delaware, focusing on these same issues, what constitutes decency and honor in this country,’ Biden said.
‘The things that got me involved in public life to begin with,’ he noted.
As he often does on the campaign trail, he again told the audience how his father instilled in him that everyone deserved dignity.
‘Whether I am a defeated candidate for president back teaching or I’m elected president, it’s a major element of everything that I’m about because it reflects who we are as a nation,’ Biden said.
Biden participated in a 90-minute townhall in Philadelphia, in the swing state of Pennsylvania, after the second debate between the Democrat and Trump had been cancelled.
The president refused to participate in a debate virtually, which the Commission on Presidential Debates pushed because Trump had been infected with COVID-19.
Afterward, Biden was seen sticking around the auditorium where the townhall took place, answering more audience members’ questions.
He had promised one of the questioners, a young Black man, that he would talk to him afterward more about his plans for the community, as the participant had expressed that he might not vote.
READ THE TRANSCRIPT: DONALD TRUMP’S NBC TOWN HALL
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Hi everybody, and good evening. It’s good to have you with us, and welcome to Miami and our town hall with President Donald Trump. And we want to say right off the top, this is not how things were supposed to go tonight. This was supposed to be a town hall debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. But after the President contracted Covid, the debate commission announced it would have to be a virtual debate because of health concerns. The President then said he would not participate in a virtual debate. At that point, Joe Biden scheduled a town hall tonight in Pennsylvania on another network, and now the President is doing the same, his own town hall with the same venue format and time as NBC’s town hall with Joe Biden last week. So the two candidates go head to head tonight, though, not face to face, each in a key battleground state.
And tonight, the President will be taking questions from voters here in Miami, who we should mention are socially distanced and they’re wearing masks. And I should say, this audience looks a bit like America, it’s divided. Some here voted for the president in 2016 and plan to again, some support Joe Biden, and some say they are truly undecided. We’re going to get a mix of questions on a range of topics, and we’re going to get to those questions in a moment. But first with all of that ado, welcome, Mr President, and thank you for being here.
TRUMP: That was very well stated, I have to say. Good job.
GUTHRIE: Thank you. We’re glad you’re here, we’re glad you’re well. We send our best to the First Lady and to Barron.
TRUMP: Thank you, thank you.
GUTHRIE: Do you have any remaining symptoms from Covid?
TRUMP: Nothing whatsoever, I’m great, I feel good. I was in North Carolina today and did a big rally with tremendous turnout, and I just feel really good. Florida, Pennsylvania, were- They said, ‘Let’s go to the hospital.’ I said, ‘That’s okay. I’m going to respond to what you say.’ And we went over to Walter Reed, where you have tremendous professionals. They gave me Regeneron and Remdeceiver both. And all I know is I felt good the following day, I felt really good.
GUTHRIE: Did the doctors ever tell you that they saw pneumonia on your lung scans?
TRUMP: No, but they said the lungs are a little bit different, a little bit perhaps infected, and-
GUTHRIE: Infected with?
TRUMP: I don’t know. I mean, I didn’t do too much asking. I really felt good. I didn’t have much of a problem with the lungs. I did have a little bit of a temperature. Obviously, I felt there was something missing, and then I tested, I tested positive.
GUTHRIE: Well, let’s talk about testing because there’s a little bit of a, I guess, confusion about this. And I think we can clear it up.
TRUMP: Yeah, and there shouldn’t be.
GUTHRIE: Your first positive test was Thursday, October 1st, okay? When was your last negative test? When did you last remember having a negative test?
TRUMP: Well, I test quite a bit, and I can tell you that before the debate, which I thought it was a very good debate, and I felt fantastically, I had no problems before.
GUTHRIE: Did you test the day of the debate?
TRUMP: I don’t know, I don’t even remember. I test all the time. But I can tell you this, after the debate, I guess a day or so, I think it was Thursday evening, maybe even late Thursday evening, I tested positive. That’s when I first found out about it.
GUTHRIE: Well back to the debate, because the debate commission’s rules, it was the honor system.
GUTHRIE: Would be that you would come with a negative test. You say you don’t know if you’ve got a test on the day of the debate?
TRUMP: I had no problem. Again, the doctors do it. I don’t ask them. I test all the time. And they-
GUTHRIE: Did you take a test, though, on the day of the debate?
TRUMP: If you ask as the doctor, they’ll give you a perfect answer. But they take a test and I leave and I go about my business.
GUTHRIE: So you did you take a test on the day of the debate, I guess is the bottom line?
TRUMP: I probably did, and I took a test the day before and the day before, and I was always in great shape, and I was in great shape for the debate. And it was only after the debate, a period of time after the debate that I said, ‘That’s interesting.’ And they took a test and it tested positive.
GUTHRIE: Just to button it up, do you take a test every single day?
TRUMP: No. No, but I take a lot of tests.
GUTHRIE: Okay. And you don’t know if you took a test the day of the debate?
TRUMP: Possibly I did, possibly I didn’t. But the doctor has very accurate information and it’s not only that doctor, it’s many doctors. The one thing, if you’re President, you have a lot of doctors you’re surrounded by. But I was in great shape for the debate. And sometime after the debate, I tested positive, then that’s when they decided to, let’s go.
GUTHRIE: Okay, good. I hopefully provided some clarity for folks. Let’s talk about the event that was held at the White House on the Saturday before you tested positive. Subsequent to that, 13 people connected to that event tested positive. There was an outdoor reception, you’ve seen the pictures. There was an indoor reception. People were not wearing masks. My question to you is, at this point in the pandemic, knowing what we know, shouldn’t you have known better? Shouldn’t the White House know better than to hold an event like that?
TRUMP: Well, they do a lot of testing in the White House, they test everybody including me, but they test everybody. And something happened. But as far as the mask is concerned, I’m good with masks. I’m okay with masks. I tell people, wear a mask. But just the other day, they came out with a statement that 85% of the people that wear masks catch it. So this is a very-
GUTHRIE: It didn’t say that. I know that study.
TRUMP: That’s what I heard, and that’s what I saw. And regardless, but everybody’s tested and they’re tested often. And I also knew that, hey, I’m President. I have to see people. I can’t be in a basement. I can’t be in a room. I can’t be… I have to be out.
GUTHRIE: You can see people with a mask, though, right?
TRUMP: I can, but people with masks are catching it all the time. I mean, if you look at the Governor of Virginia, he was known for a mask. If you look at Thom Tillis, a great guy, he always had a mask, and they caught it.
GUTHRIE: Well, there are pictures of Thom Tillis, actually with one of Judge Barrett’s kids not wearing a mask. But you know Chris Christie, he was part of your debate prep.
GUTHRIE: He was, I believe at that event. He came out tonight, he was sick, very sick. He was in the hospital for about a week.
TRUMP: Yes, I know this.
GUTHRIE: He came out tonight and said, ‘I was wrong not to wear a mask.’
TRUMP: Well, I mean, he has to say that. I think it’s great, he’s a friend of mine. He’s a good guy. And wrong or not wrong, you have to understand, as President, I can’t be locked in a room someplace for the next year and just stay and do nothing. And every time I go into a crowd, I was with the parents of our fallen heroes. These people are the most incredible people. And they came up to me and they would hug me, and they would touch me, and I’m not to not let them do it, to be honest with you.
GUTHRIE: Now, there was an event with the gold star families the day after the Supreme Court event.
TRUMP: There was, exactly right. We had a gold star event with the most incredible people you’ve ever seen. And I could have chosen not to talk to them, or to keep everybody away. And you know what? I don’t think that’s probably where it was caught, but maybe it was.
GUTHRIE: I going to say, you bring it up, you brought it up yourself. I mean, are you trying to suggest that? Do you believe a grieving military family gave you a COVID?
TRUMP: No, I don’t know where it came from, and you don’t know where it came from, and the doctors don’t know where it came from. But as the President, I have to be out there. I also know-
GUTHRIE: Well, there’s no one that says you can’t be out there, but it’s just about wearing masks and having… For example, your rallies.
TRUMP: I know this.
GUTHRIE: Your rallies don’t require masks.
TRUMP: I mean, let’s see, Kamala. She’s got people now, people have it, and I’m not blaming her. I’m not saying, ‘Oh, she did a terrible thing.’ As President, I have to be out there. I can’t be in a basement. I can’t be locked in a very beautiful room someplace in the White House. And I want to see the gold star families, and I want to see everybody. And I also say to people all the time, it’s risky doing it. It is risky doing it.
GUTHRIE: But as President, you’re right. You want to be a leader, but you also are a leader and a setter of an example. And if you’re not wearing a mask when your administration is saying, ‘Best practice right now is wear a mask,’ no, it’s not foolproof. But that will-
TRUMP: But many people are catching it. Many people are getting this disease that was sent to us by China, and it shouldn’t have been allowed to happen. But many people are getting this. And I mean, nobody’s being blamed. Everybody is working hard to get this thing out of our country, get it out of the world. Look at what’s going on in Europe, massive spikes. They’ve done a very good job, but now you take a look today at the UK, you take a look at Spain and France and Italy. There’s tremendous spikes.
GUTHRIE: But our death rate is worse than, well, not Spain, but those other countries.
TRUMP: Well, I have thing right here that will tell you exactly the opposite.
GUTHRIE: Me too.
TRUMP: The UK is up 2,500%, because I knew you’d be doing this. I know you very well. The UK is up 2,500%. The EU is up 722%. And the United States is down 21%.
GUTHRIE: But we have per… Our deaths per capita is among the highest of all-
TRUMP: Excess mortality.
GUTHRIE: I’m sorry?
TRUMP: Excess mortality, we’re a winner on the excess mortality. And what we’ve done has been amazing. And we have done an amazing job. And it’s rounding the corner and we have the vaccines coming, and we have the therapies coming. And I’ll tell you what, one thing. When I got it, I had a choice. Do nothing, or use some of the things that we’re looking at, like in this case, Regeneron. and Eli Lilly makes something that’s supposed to be incredible. And I think that maybe I wouldn’t be doing this discussion with you right now. We have therapies now and cures, maybe you can use the word cure, but we have therapies that are absolutely incredible, Savannah.
GUTHRIE: I want to pick up on something you just said. You said we’re rounding the corner.
TRUMP: I believe we’re rounding the corner, yes.
GUTHRIE: 10% of the country approximately has had COVID. That means 80%-90%, 90%, let’s do the math, is still vulnerable.
TRUMP: Right, right. That’s right.
GUTHRIE: There’s been some talk, including from the White House lately that perhaps it approves of what’s called herd immunity. That’s where you basically just let young people and everybody gets sick. You try to protect the old people and those who are sick. And hopefully, it gets up to a certain level, and now we’re all immune.
GUTHRIE: So let’s just be clear about it. It also means more deaths. Do you support herd immunity as a strategy? Essentially, just let people get sick?
TRUMP: The cure can not be worse than the problem itself. We did the right thing. We were expected to lose people, and maybe more than that. We’re at , people. One person is too much, it should have never happened because of China. It happened because of China. And you have to get that and understand that. But it shouldn’t have happened. But we were expected to lose, if you look at the original charts from original doctors who are respected by everybody, 220,000 people.
GUTHRIE: That 2 million figure, though, is if you literally did nothing.
TRUMP: We saved 2 million people.
GUTHRIE: The 2 million figure is if you did absolutely nothing, it would be million. The question is, should the deaths be better than 200,000, when-
TRUMP: I don’t know, let me tell you what is happening. I left North Carolina, which I love. I left Pennsylvania. We won a big case in Michigan because that governor has a lockdown where nobody but her husband can do anything. He can go boating and do whatever he wants, but nobody else can. The fact is we’re winning all these cases because it’s unconstitutional what they’re doing. And I think they’re doing it for political reasons. But the fact is the cure, you can’t let this continue to go on with the lockdowns. And I believe that on November 4th, you’re going to have a lot of these governors.
TRUMP: Look at what’s happening to New York. New York is a mess. They lost almost , people. They have a lockdown like you’ve never seen. Now they’re open, it’s like a ghost town. And Savannah, it’s very important. People are leaving New York by the thousands, and you’re going to have a hard time ever building it up again. So that cure, that so called cure that you talk about, it can’t be worse than the problem. The problem is a bad problem.
GUTHRIE: We’ve got more questions.
TRUMP: … than the problem. The problem is a bad problem.
GUTHRIE: We’ve got more questions on COVID-
TRUMP: Okay, fine.
GUTHRIE: … so let’s drop it, for now. We were supposed to, as mentioned, be watching you on a debate stage right now. We’re not doing that, so let’s clear up a few things from the last one. You were asked point blank to denounce white supremacy. In the moment, you didn’t. You asked some follow up questions. ‘Who, specifically?’ A couple of days later, on a different show-
TRUMP: Oh, you always do this.
GUTHRIE: … you denounced white supremacy.
TRUMP: No, you always do this.
GUTHRIE: My question to you is-
TRUMP: You’ve done this to me, and everybody-
GUTHRIE: … why does it seem like-
TRUMP: I denounce white supremacy. Okay?
GUTHRIE: You did, two days later.
TRUMP: I’ve denounced white supremacy, for years, but you always do it. You always start off with the question. You didn’t ask Joe Biden, whether or not he denounces Antifa. I watched him on the same basic show with Lester Holt, and he was asking questions like Biden was a child.
GUTHRIE: Well, so this is a little bit of a dodge.
TRUMP: So, are you ready? Are you… Wait. Are you listening? I denounce white supremacy.
TRUMP: What’s your next question?
GUTHRIE: Do you feel, it feels sometimes you’re hesitant to do so, like you wait a beat.
TRUMP: Hesitant? Here we go again. Every time… In fact, my people came, ‘I’m sure they’ll ask you the white supremacy question.’ I denounce white supremacy.
TRUMP: And frankly, you want to know something? I denounce Antifa, and I denounce these people on the left that are burning down our cities, that are run by Democrats who don’t know what they’re doing-
GUTHRIE: All right, while we’re denouncing, let me ask you about QAnon. It is this theory that Democrats are a satanic pedophile ring and that you are the savior, of that. Now can you just, once and for all, state that that is completely not true, and-
TRUMP: So, I know –
GUTHRIE: … disavow QAnon-
GUTHRIE: … in its entirety?
TRUMP: I know nothing about QAnon.
GUTHRIE: I just told you.
TRUMP: I know very little. You told me, but what you tell me, doesn’t necessarily make it fact. I hate to say that. I know nothing about it. I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it. If you’d like me to-
GUTHRIE: They believe that it is a Satanic cult run by the deep state.
TRUMP: … study the subject. I’ll tell you what I do know about. I know about Antifa, and I know about the radical left, and I know how violent they are and how vicious they are. And I know how they are burning down cities run by Democrats, not run by Republicans.
GUTHRIE: Republican Senator Ben Sasse said, quote, ‘QAnon is nuts and real leaders call conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories.’
TRUMP: He may be right.
GUTHRIE: Why not just say, it’s crazy and not true?
TRUMP: Can I be honest? He may be right. I just don’t know about QAnon.
GUTHRIE: You do know.
TRUMP: I don’t know. No, I don’t know. I don’t know. You tell me all about it.
GUTHRIE: Let me ask you another thing.
TRUMP: Let’s waste the whole show. You start off with white supremacy. I denounce it. You start off with something else. Let’s go. Keep asking me these questions. But let me just-
GUTHRIE: Okay, I do have one more in this vein.
TRUMP: … let me just tell you. What I do hear about it, is they are very strongly against pedophilia. And I agree with that. I mean, I do agree with that-
TRUMP: … and I agree with it very strongly.
GUTHRIE: But there’s not a Satanic pedophile cult being run by-
TRUMP: I have no idea. I know nothing about them.
GUTHRIE: You don’t know that? Okay.
TRUMP: No, I don’t know that.
GUTHRIE: You, just this week-
TRUMP: And neither do you, know that.
GUTHRIE: Okay. Just this week, you retweeted-
TRUMP: Why aren’t you asking me about Antifa? Why aren’t you asking me about the radical left?
GUTHRIE: Because you just, because you’re volunteering it.
TRUMP: Why aren’t you asking Joe Biden questions about, why doesn’t he condemn Antifa? Why does he say it doesn’t exist?
GUTHRIE: Because you’re here, before me.
TRUMP: Antifa, no, excuse me. That’s so cute. Antifa exists. They’re vicious, they’re violent. They kill people, and they’re burning down our cities. And they happen to be radical left.
GUTHRIE: Just this week, you retweeted to your million followers, a conspiracy theory that Joe Biden orchestrated to have SEAL Team Six, the Navy SEAL Team Six, killed to cover up the fake death of Bin Laden. Now, why would you send a lie like that to your followers?
TRUMP: I know nothing about it, can I –
GUTHRIE: You retweeted it.
TRUMP: That was a retweet. That was an opinion of somebody-
TRUMP: …. and that was a retweet. I’ll put it out there. People can decide for themselves. I don’t take a position.
GUTHRIE: I don’t get that, you’re the President. You’re not like, someone’s crazy uncle who can just-
TRUMP: No, no. No, no.
GUTHRIE: … retweet, whatever.
TRUMP: That was a retweet. And I do a lot of retweets. And frankly, because the media is so fake, and so corrupt, if I didn’t have social media… I don’t call it Twitter, I call it social media. I wouldn’t be able to get the word out. And the word is-
GUTHRIE: Well, the word is false.
TRUMP: … and you know what the word is? The word is very simple. We’re building our country, stronger and better than it’s ever been before.
GUTHRIE: Let’s stop-
TRUMP: And that’s what’s happening. And everybody knows it.
GUTHRIE: Okay, we’ve got a bunch of questions for you.
TRUMP: You know what else the word is? We’re winning in a lot of states.
TRUMP: We’re winning in a lot of States. You’re going to see that.
GUTHRIE: Well, let me ask… Okay. I’m glad you brought up the election, because I do want to ask about that. That’s another kind of leftover item. A lot of people have asked you, will you accept a peaceful transfer of power? You have said, repeatedly, ‘The only way we lose this election is, if it is rigged.’ Now, that is simply not true. The fact is, either candidate can lose fair and square, without ballot fraud.
TRUMP: Sure, they can. And do you know what?
GUTHRIE: So, will you accept the results of the election?
TRUMP: Win or lose, that’s the way I want it to be. But when I see thousands of ballots, right? Unsolicited ballots, being given out by the millions, and thousands of them are dumped in dumpsters. And when you see ballots with the name Trump, military ballots, from our great military. And they’re dumped in garbage cans-
GUTHRIE: That is a handful… We could go all night, which we won’t.
TRUMP: No, no, it’s happening every day.
GUTHRIE: But, we could go all night, one by one. A single case, a single day. You’re talking about million votes. Your own FBI director says, there is no evidence of widespread fraud.
TRUMP: Oh, really? Well, then he’s not doing a very good job. All you have to do is pick up the papers every day. , in Ohio, the great state of Ohio. , in another location, I think North Carolina. , applications in Virginia. No, no, there’s a tremendous problem.
TRUMP: But let me just tell you, they talk about the peaceful transfer, right? They spied on my campaign and they got caught. And they spied heavily, on my campaign. And they tried to take down a duly elected sitting president. And then, they talk about, ‘Will you accept a peaceful transfer?’ And the answer is, yes, I will. But I want it to be an honest election. And so does everybody else. When I see thousands of ballots dumped in a garbage can, and they happen to have my name on it? I’m not happy about that.
GUTHRIE: Okay, but just… Those are case, there is no, there is in fact, no evidence of widespread fraud. And you are sowing doubt about our democracy.
TRUMP: Could I ask you, how can you say that?
GUTHRIE: Our democracy.
TRUMP: How can you say that? You do read newspapers?
GUTHRIE: I do.
TRUMP: You do watch the news?
GUTHRIE: Yes, I do.
TRUMP: I know you read the news, but do you watch it?
GUTHRIE: I do.
TRUMP: Because, every day, they’re talking about ballots that are corrupt, that are fraudulent.
GUTHRIE: And millions that are-
GUTHRIE: … being processed right now.
TRUMP: Sure, sure. But you can win a race… Take a look at me. You can win a race by 1%.
GUTHRIE: So why are you laying the groundwork for that, right now?
TRUMP: I’m not, I don’t want that to happen.
GUTHRIE: It’s like, if I go play tennis with my husband and I say, ‘ My ankle is hurting right now.’
TRUMP: You know what? I don’t want that to happen. Savannah. I want it to be clean.
TRUMP: And I want… I really feel we’re going to win, but I want this to be clean.
GUTHRIE: Let’s get to questions.
TRUMP: But it’s sort of ironic that you, and them, talk about the peaceful transfer when I spent three and a half years fighting off these maniacs. And now, it turns out, everything’s there. That they were the ones that dealt with Russia, and it’s too bad.
TRUMP: Peaceful transfer, I absolutely want that. But ideally, I don’t want to transfer, because I want to win.
GUTHRIE: Yes. And I think that, your words will probably reassure some folks. Let’s get to our first voter. We’ve got Jacqueline Lugo. Now she is, I told you, this audience is truly split between y’all. You are leaning Biden, she voted for Clinton in 2016. She’s registered as an Independent. Jacqueline, what’s your question for the President? And hold the mic up close, and take off your mic, because it’s hard to hear, out here.
Jacqueline Lugo: Good evening.
TRUMP: How are you?
Lugo: Welcome to Miami.
TRUMP: Thank you very much, it’s beautiful.
Lugo: Mr. President, if you knew COVID-, as you told Bob Woodward in February-
TRUMP: As what?
Lugo: As you told Bob Woodward in February, was airborne and deadlier than the flu, why did you only put in place a travel ban from China, and not put in place other measures mitigating the spread of COVID-, potentially saving tens of thousands of American lives?
TRUMP: Well, I did put it in very early, as you know, Joe Biden was two months behind me, and he called me xenophobic and racist and everything else, because I put it in. And it turned out that I was 100% right. I also put it on Europe, very early, because I saw there was a lot of infection in Europe. And it’s sort of an amazing question. And I appreciate the question, and respect the question, but the news doesn’t get out the right answer.
Because I put on a travel ban far earlier than Dr. Fauci thought it was necessary. Who I like. Far earlier than the scientists… I was actually the only one that wanted to put it on. And I did it, actually against the advice of a lot of people, including Nancy Pelosi who had no clue what she was doing. And, Biden.
When I put on the travel ban… You know, I put it on in January. The end of January. When I put on the travel ban Joe Biden, and others, said, ‘This is ridiculous. You don’t do that.’ Well, Dr. Fauci said, I saved thousands and thousands of lives.
I was early, I was extremely early, when I put on the travel ban.
GUTHRIE: Can I ask you, did your National Security Advisor, on January in the Oval Office, warn you that this would be the greatest national security risk of your administration?
TRUMP: I read that, but no, he didn’t.
GUTHRIE: He didn’t say it, or you don’t remember?
TRUMP: I read it… I read it, someplace. Maybe Woodward said it, or something. But no, he did not say that. But, I knew it was a big threat. At the same time, I don’t want to panic this country. I don’t want to go out and say, ‘Everybody’s going to die. Everybody’s going to-‘
GUTHRIE: Isn’t there a middle ground?
GUTHRIE: You don’t have to mislead-
TRUMP: No, there’s not a middle ground.
GUTHRIE: … but you can-
TRUMP: No, no. No. There’s not a middle ground. You have to be safe. You have to be vigilant, and you have to be smart.
GUTHRIE: You’re going to like this next couple of voters.
TRUMP: Okay. Good.
GUTHRIE: It’s a mom and a daughter. Mom, Barbara voted for you in . She’s leaning to vote for you again. Now, her daughter was too young to vote last time, she’s going to vote for her first time in a presidential campaign. And she is leaning, Biden. So imagine the dinner table at their house. Okay?
TRUMP: We’ll talk you out of it.
GUTHRIE: So Barbara, why don’t you go first, and ask your question.
Mr. Trump, as a frontline ER doctor, working through the coronavirus pandemic-
Peña: … I know firsthand, and I’ve seen that many hospitals throughout the United States, are suffering financial hardships. These economic effects are trickling down to the frontline workers.
Peña: We are being… Across the country, frontline workers are being fired, they’re being furloughed. Our salaries are being cut, and this is also happening another economic sectors as well, including the travel industry and hospitality.
Peña: My question to you is, how are you going to get the United States back on track, both in terms of the economy and the pandemic?
TRUMP: So, it’s happening. We just set a record, . million jobs. We are going to have a phenomenal third quarter, which will be announced on November 1st, just prior to the big November 3rd day, where I think you’re going to see a red wave. But we’re going to have a tremendous announcement. I believe. I mean, we’re going to find out, but GDP is going through the roof. Jobs, real estate, houses. So many things are happening.
TRUMP: So, people were saying, we’re going to have a 42% unemployment. Look, this was a thing that came into our country and it happened a hundred, more than a hundred years ago, and it happened now. They were talking about a 42% unemployment rate.
GUTHRIE: Who was talking about that?
TRUMP: It came out, it just came out-
GUTHRIE: I heard, 20%.
TRUMP: … at 7.8% unemployment, and people can’t even believe it. Our economy is going to be… Next year, if we don’t have somebody that raises taxes and quadruples taxes, which they want to do, and it kills everything. Our economy is going to be phenomenal, next year. We’re going to have a phenomenal…
TRUMP: And, I’ll tell you, Savannah. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country last year, including the state of Florida, where we are now. In Pennsylvania, in North Carolina, in Ohio, every place. We had the greatest economy we ever had. We had to close it down, we saved two million lives. We’re opening it up. We have a V-shape and it’s coming back. It’s coming back very fast.
TRUMP: One other thing, we really helped the hospitals. We’ve sent billions and billions of dollars to the hospitals. In addition, hundreds of millions of masks and gowns. And we went into the ventilator business, because this country was not equipped with ventilators. And I’m not blaming anybody for it. But we’re now making thousands of ventilators a month, and we have all we can use. We’re sending them all over the world, because the world needs them. So, they’ve worked very hard and really very, very effectively. Thank you. Great question.
GUTHRIE: Let’s talk to Isabella, and put the mic close to your mouth. Okay, go ahead.
Isabella Peña: Mr. President, my parents are, as you heard, both frontline healthcare workers. And I’ve seen the physical and the mental toll that this pandemic has taken on them, firsthand. As well as the exacerbation of coronavirus, due to Americans who are not wearing masks or participating in social distancing. After contracting COVID- yourself, has your opinion changed on the importance of mask wearing?
TRUMP: No, because I was okay with the masks. I was good with it, but I’ve heard many different stories on masks. I had, being president, you have people, they bring meals, they bring this, they… And I had an instance recently, where a very wonderful person is bringing me a meal, and he’s playing with his mask. And he’s touching his mask, all over the place.
And then he’s bringing a plate in, and I’m saying, ‘Well, I don’t know if that’s so good.’ I mean, the good news, I didn’t eat it. Okay? I decided not to eat it. This was a month ago. But I… Look, look, you have, on the masks, you have two stories. You have a story where they want, a story where they don’t want. I am all for it.
GUTHRIE: Who is, I don’t get that, because it’s just… All of your public health officials, your administration, they’re in unison about this.
TRUMP: Some. No.
GUTHRIE: They’re all in unison about it.
No, the –
GUTHRIE: The University of Washington, which is, they have a model that your coronavirus task force relies on. Says that, if everyone wore a mask, you could cut expected deaths in half.
TRUMP: And then, you have other people that disagree.
GUTHRIE: Well, what does that mean?
TRUMP: Scott Atkins, if you look at Scott, Dr. Scott. He’s from, great guy, Stanford. He will tell you that, he disagrees with you.
GUTHRIE: He’s not an infectious disease expert.
TRUMP: Oh, I don’t know. Look, he’s an expert. He’s one of the great experts of the world.
GUTHRIE: But I don’t get it, because you have so much power and influence as president.
TRUMP: I’m all for it.
GUTHRIE: And you could go to your… You could require it-
TRUMP: By the way-
GUTHRIE: … at your rallies, and you could say-
TRUMP: I never said, ‘Don’t wear them.’
GUTHRIE: ‘Everyone put on a mask right now.’ And the University of Washington says, you would save lives.
TRUMP: Savannah, University of Washington. And then, you have other places, say different things. You have a lot of… Hey. Dr. Fauci said, ‘Don’t wear a mask,’ right?
GUTHRIE: At first, but then everybody agreed.
TRUMP: Oh, I don’t know. Then he changed his mind. But then, you have a report coming out two days ago, that 85% of the people wearing masks catch it.
GUTHRIE: I looked at that report, it’s not about mask wearing. It was neutral on the question of masks.
TRUMP: Savannah. We’re on the same side. I say, wear the mask. I’m fine with it.
GUTHRIE: Okay. Okay.
TRUMP: I have no problem. We’re on the same side.
GUTHRIE: Let’s take a break. We’re going to get more questions, right after this.
TRUMP: Thank you.
Savannah: And we’re back. We’re live in Miami with TRUMP for a town hall. Live in Miami with President Trump for a town hall. Thank you again, Mr. President. We have another voter. Now, Christie Alonzo, come on out, Christie, she is leaning slightly towards you, she says. She voted for you in . Christie, you ready? Take the mask off, hold the mic close, and let’s hear your question.
Cristy Montesinos Alonso: Thank you for your service, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you very much.
Alonso: We’re a hard-working middle-class family of four. My husband and I are both self-employed, and we have to get our own individual healthcare. As you know, healthcare costs have gone up considerably over the decades. And you had originally said you were going to repeal and replace Obamacare. What is your plan now in 2020 to make healthcare costs affordable for Americans like myself?
TRUMP: Good. So we got rid of the individual mandate on Obamacare, which was the worst part of Obamacare, and now you could actually say it’s not Obamacare because that’s how big it was, where you had to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad health insurance, so we got rid of that. That was a big, big thing. And by doing that, and we will always have… By the way, we’re always protecting people with pre-existing conditions, and I can’t say that more strongly, but we’ve been able to bring healthcare costs way down. Now, I took over Obamacare, got rid of the individual mandate, made it good, managed it much better. Remember, they had the $5 billion website disaster, and all of the problems they had. The problem with Obamacare, it’s not good. We’d like to terminate it, and we want a much less expensive healthcare that’s a much better healthcare, and that’s where we’re aiming. And if we can do that, and we have a very good chance of doing it, but we’ve also brought down the price of Obamacare. The problem with Obamacare, it basically is never going to be great, and I want to give great healthcare. So important. And thank you very much.
GUTHRIE: Mr. President, I got a follow-up pre-existing conditions. This is such a big issue for voters.
TRUMP: It is a big issue for me too.
GUTHRIE: In point of fact, your administration is about to go to the Supreme Court to argue to throw out the rest of Obamacare, which includes the protections for preexisting conditions.
TRUMP: That’s right. That’s right.
GUTHRIE: So your administration is in court right now, trying to get rid of that protection.
TRUMP: In order to replace it with a much better healthcare at a much lower price. And always, under all circumstances, we are going to protect the Republicans. And maybe I changed the party a lot over the last three years, but we will protect people with preexisting conditions. And Savannah, what I want to do, get rid of the terrible Obamacare. I’ve already done it to a large extent because as you know, the individual mandate is gone. That was the worst part.
GUTHRIE: You repealed, but you haven’t replaced.
TRUMP: No, no.
GUTHRIE: Now, you’ve been in office almost four years.
TRUMP: We have done-
GUTHRIE: You have both houses of Congress, Senate and House, in Republican hands, and there is not a replacement yet.
TRUMP: That’s right. I’m sorry, but if you look, we had both houses and what did we do? We got rid of the individual mandate. That went through the legislature.
GUTHRIE: But the promise was repeal and replace.
TRUMP: Look, look. We should be on the same side. I wanted very simple. I’m going to put it very simple. We would like to terminate it, and we would like to replace it with something that’s much less expensive and much better. We will always protect people with preexisting conditions.
GUTHRIE: But if you’re successful in court-
TRUMP: And here’s the thing-
GUTHRIE: … in November, those preexisting conditions, that promise will be gone.
TRUMP: If we don’t succeed, we are running the remnants of whatever’s left because we took it apart. We are running the remnants of whatever’s left much better than the previous administration, which ran it very badly, but we’d like to have new healthcare much better and much less expensive.
GUTHRIE: Let me get to question number five. And you’ll like this, he’s stuck in traffic. His name is Joe White. He is registered as a Democrat. He says he’s leaning toward Biden and voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. And his question was a, a second stimulus payment has been broadly agreed upon by the Republicans and Democrats, and yet, now we’re in October and it’s still not passed. Why not use your office to make the second stimulus payment a separate targeted emergency relief package to help Americans weather the pandemic?
TRUMP: Well, we’ve actually passed three packages, and we’re on our fourth, and I agree with him 100%. He should vote for me. The problem you have is Nancy Pelosi. She couldn’t care less about the worker. She couldn’t care less about our people. And we should have a stimulus, and I want a stimulus. The Republicans will approve a stimulus. The problem is she doesn’t want to do it because she thinks it’s bad for her election. The fact is, she’s wrong because people know she’s in our way, she’s not approving it, she doesn’t appreciate our people, and she doesn’t appreciate, at all, our workers. Nancy Pelosi, we are ready to sign and pass stimulus, but she’s got to approve it.
GUTHRIE: People do not love the back and forth of Washington, but this has been a rollercoaster. Back in early October, you one day tweeted, ‘No more negotiations until after election day. I’m walking away.’ Then, I think the next couple of days you said, ‘Maybe we can do something targeted.’
TRUMP: That’s right.
GUTHRIE: Then you said, ‘I want a big, big bill.’ But then Senate Republicans said, ‘No, we’re not for that.’ So you are the big deal-maker. How come this is so… You yourself had changed positions.
TRUMP: That’s right. Did you ever hear a word called negotiation when negotiating? Okay. I’m negotiating-
GUTHRIE: But people’s lives are hanging in the balance.
TRUMP: You know what? And you know who I’m negotiating against? Nancy Pelosi, because she doesn’t want to give them money. We should have stimulus. This was not our people’s fault. This was China’s fault. And she’s penalizing our people. I’m ready to sign a big, beautiful stimulus. You saw the other day, I said, ‘Go big or go home.’ Right?
GUTHRIE: That’s what I was talking about.
TRUMP: I want it to be big. I want it to be bold. I want the money to go to directly to the people.
GUTHRIE: Senate Republicans with you, they’re going to go big?
TRUMP: They’ll go. Yeah, they’ll go. They’ll go. They’re going be very active-
GUTHRIE: Okay, because so far, they have not said they would.
TRUMP: I know, because I haven’t asked them to because I can’t get through Nancy Pelosi.
TRUMP: If Nancy Pelosi and I, through my representatives or directly, I don’t care, if we agree to something, the Republicans will agree to it.
GUTHRIE: Okay. Our next question comes from… Oh, this is interesting. She voted for Clinton in 2016, but recently changed her registration from Democrat to Independent. She says she’s truly undecided. Her name’s Becky Lightman. Hello, Becky. What’s your question?
TRUMP: How are you?
Becky Lightman: Hi, I’m great. How are you?
TRUMP: Nice to see you. Thank you.
Lightman: Good to see you. So corporate tax rates are a hot button issue and you have cut corporate tax rates. And your opponent, Joe Biden, is planning to raise them. A lot of Americans think that corporations don’t pay their share of taxes and want to see those tax rates increase. What do you say to those Americans to maybe tell them why you want the corporate tax rate lower and why that helps them?
TRUMP: It’s a great question. We’ve created more jobs than this country has ever created. We were up to million jobs. We were never even close to that number. We were just hitting million jobs, companies are pouring into our nation because of the tax rate, and if Biden comes in and raises taxes on everybody, including middle income taxes, which he wants to do, you will blow this thing, and you’ll end up with a depression, the likes of which you’ve never had. That’s what’s going to happen. We have something that’s really good. The reason we’re coming back so strong is because we built a very strong foundation. Companies are moving in. Car companies are moving into Michigan, into Ohio, into South Carolina, and North Carolina just today, so what’s happening is, they’re coming in because we reduced the taxes. Our taxes, our corporate taxes were the highest in the world, and now they’re among the lower taxes. They’re not the lowest, but they’re among the lowest. And what that means, is jobs, but also we’re doing a very big, and we’ve done a very big, middle income tax package. So if we get in, we’re going to do the middle income tax package, but it’s a great question. And if he comes along and raises rates, all those companies that are coming in, they will leave the U.S. so fast your head will spin. We can’t let that happen. Thank you.
GUTHRIE: On the subject of taxes, as you know, the New York times has obtained, it says years of your tax returns among other things, it says that you have debts of approximately $421 million that you have personally guaranteed, and that will come due in the next four years. The question is, on behalf of voters, who do you owe $421 million to?
TRUMP: Okay, first of all, let me answer. What they did is illegal, number one. Also, the numbers are all wrong, with the numbers they released. And just so you understand, when you have a lot of real estate, I have real estate, you know a lot of it. Okay? Right down the road, Doral, big stuff, great stuff. When I decided to run, I’m very underlevered, fortunately, but I’m very underlevered. I have a very, very small percentage of debt compared. In fact, some of it, I did as favors to institutions that wanted to loan me money. $400 million compared to the assets that I have, all of these great properties all over the world, and frankly, The Bank of America building in San Francisco. I don’t love what’s happening to San Francisco. Avenue of the Americas, one of the biggest office buildings.
GUTHRIE: Well do I hear you right? It sounds like you’re saying $400 million isn’t that much. But are you confirming that, yes, you do owe some $400 million?
TRUMP: What I’m saying is that, it’s a tiny percentage of my net worth.
GUTHRIE: That sounds like yes.
TRUMP: And you’ll see that soon because we’re doing things. We’ve given, I think it’s or pages of financial detail to elections, and we have to file as the president, as any politician, you have to file. Nobody ever looks at that. When they do, they see how incredible a company is, but more importantly, they see where this debt is. No, I don’t owe Russia money. I owe a very, very small… It’s called mortgages. People have a house, they put a mortgage.
GUTHRIE: Any foreign bank? Any foreign entity?
TRUMP: Not that I know of, but I will probably, because it’s so easy to solve, and if you’d like to do, I will let you know who I owe, whatever small amount of money. I want to say two things. Number one, it’s a very small amount of money. Number two, it’s very straight. It’s very, very straight, but it’s a tiny percentage of the worth. Did you ever hear the expression underlevered?
TRUMP: I am extremely underlevered.
GUTHRIE: Well, here’s the thing. You could clear this up tonight by just releasing your tax returns yourself. That’s what I don’t understand. I think people are just wondering, you’re the only-
TRUMP: As you know, I’m under audit. It turned out that I am under audit.
GUTHRIE: Yes, but the IRS said… You are.
TRUMP: But they actually… Excuse me. No, no.
GUTHRIE: But the IRS says that doesn’t stop you from releasing.
TRUMP: But you accused me of not being under audit previously.
GUTHRIE: I did not.
TRUMP: And so did other people at NBC. And I am under audit.
Savannah: You are.
TRUMP: So that one’s solved. That’s good. I am under audit. No person in their right mind would release, prior to working out the deal with the IRS. And I’ll go a step further. I’m treated very badly by the IRS. They treat me very, very badly. You have people in there from previous administrations that treat me very badly, but we’re under audit. It’s very routine, in many ways, but we’re under audit. They like to change the game, change the rules, do everything. You saw what they did with the tea party people. You saw what they did with the religious group.
GUTHRIE: But to be clear, there is no law or rule that prohibits you from releasing your tax returns.
TRUMP: No, except common sense, and intelligence, and having lawyers that say… Because I would love to release them, and as soon as we come to a conclusion, I will release them, and very gladly, but if you go to elections, and if you take a look, you’ll see , I think it’s , it talks about the income, which is rather massive. It talks about all of the properties. They have them listed. You can never learn more, but you know what happened? People went there. All the reporters went. There was a feeding frenzy. This was originally, when I filed it. And I filed it every year. I update it every year. My son is here. They run the company. I don’t run the company.
GUTHRIE: It also says that you’ve paid $750 in taxes in the year you were elected. Is that true or not?
TRUMP: Yeah, because that’s a statutory number. It’s a statutory.
GUTHRIE: But is that true?
TRUMP: I think it’s a filing number. You pay , it’s a filing or a filing fee.
GUTHRIE: But is that all you paid? Because most people here probably paid more.
TRUMP: No, I don’t know. I can tell you this. If they have my tax returns, as you know, they have to go to jail. It’s illegal, but their numbers were wrong, but let me tell you what else. I don’t owe money to any of these sinister people. This has been going on for years now. Russia, Russia, Russia. It turned out to be a hoax, and it turned out to be that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were dealing with Russia, not me. It’s a whole hoax. So I would not mind at all saying who it is, but it’s a very small… When you look at vast properties like I have, and they’re big, and they’re beautiful, and they’re well located. When you look at that, the amount of money, $400 million is a peanut. It’s extremely underlevered. And it’s levered with normal banks. Not a big deal.
GUTHRIE: All right, let’s take a break. We’ll get more voter questions right after this.
TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you.
GUTHRIE: We are live in Miami in the middle of a town hall with TRUMP. Thank you again for being here.
TRUMP: Thank you.
GUTHRIE: We’ve got another voter, Adam Schucher. He voted for Clinton in 2016. He’s registered as a Democrat and says he’s supporting Biden. Adam, take it away.
Adam Schucher: Thank you, Savannah. Thank you, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Thank you, Adam.
Schucher: Four years ago, Senate leadership said it was inappropriate to push through a nominee in an election year, yet they fast-tracked your nominee for the Supreme Court just today. The question I have for you is, what do you say to the voter that thinks it’s hypocritical to act in that manner and that they can’t trust Republicans’ word?
TRUMP: So when I was elected, and when a president is elected, they’re elected for a period of four years. And Justice Ginsburg said it best. I think, talking about president Obama having to do with somebody else, that the president is put there for four years, not for three years. So during this fourth year, it happened to come up, unfortunately, because I had great respect for Justice Ginsburg. But a vacancy happened to come up, and we picked somebody that’s outstanding. She has been an absolute star, and I’m extremely proud of it. But again, plenty of time.
There’s plenty of time. We’re going to do it before the election, but we also have much time after the election. But there’s no reason to wait, because it’s almost unanimous, it seems to me, certainly within the Republican party. And frankly, most of the Democrats within closed rooms, I guarantee you that. This is an outstanding person, and I’m using my fourth term. And if you look at it and if you put the shoe on the other foot, if they had this, they would do it 100%. So there’s been times when this has happened. All times a president has done exactly what I’ve done.
GUTHRIE: To the voter’s point, I’ll just say that in , you were on another show, actually another morning show, and you were asked whether President Obama should nominate a Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland. And you said, ‘I think the Senate should wait until the next president, and let the president pick.’ Now that was eight months before the election. This is three weeks before the election.
TRUMP: So I have a lot of respect, by the way, for-
GUTHRIE: So you have changed your position on this?
TRUMP: I have a lot of respect for Judge Garland. I want to tell you that. But I’ll tell you, the whole ball game changed when I saw the way they treated Justice Kavanaugh. I have never seen any human being, and I’m not just talking about Supreme Court… I have never seen a human being treated so badly with false accusations and everything else. I have never seen anything like it. And you know what the truth is, Savannah? Like it or not, the ball game changed a lot. There has never been anybody treated so badly as, now Justice Kavanaugh.
GUTHRIE: You’ve mentioned that you would like to see Amy Coney Barrett confirmed to the Supreme Court in case any challenges come up in connection with the election. Do you expect her to rule for you?
TRUMP: Well, I think she’ll have to make that decision. I don’t think she has any conflict at all. A Supreme Court judge does not have… They can make their own decision. They actually have additional power to make that decision. It would be totally up to her. I would think that she would be able to rule either for me or against me, being I don’t see any conflict whatsoever. We have an election coming up. I think it’s the most important election in the history of our country. If for any chance, and it probably won’t… And I hope it doesn’t ever get to the Supreme Court. But if it did, I would think that she would rule one way or the other. I would think so.
GUTHRIE: But for you? You think she would rule for you?
TRUMP: I have no idea.
GUTHRIE: Of course she’ll rule one way or the other, but-
TRUMP: Because believe it or not, I never asked her about it. I never talked about it. I didn’t talk about any of the obvious things that you could talk about. And I think a lot of people in my position might. But in speaking to a lot of very brilliant people and people that do this for a living, they say it’s better not to talk. So I talked to her about life. I talked to her about the fact, ‘Would you like to do this? Are you willing to do this?’ Because it’s a tremendous burden. The answer was, ‘Yes.’ She’s unbelievably well-qualified, but I never spoke to her about these various questions.
GUTHRIE: Let’s get our next voter. She’s leaning to you, Mr. President. She voted for you in 2016. She is a registered Republican. Her name is Moriah Greene. Mariah, what’s your question?
TRUMP: Thank you very much.
Moriah Geene: Thank you. Good evening, Mr. President. I’m honored to be with you here tonight, sir. So thank you. I’m a pro-life millennial. And my question for you today is, if Roe v. Wade is ultimately overturned in the future, what protections would be put in place or kept for where the mother’s life is in jeopardy in relation to high risk pregnancies?
TRUMP: Well, again, I’m not ruling on this. And Roe v. Wade is something that a lot of people would say, obviously, you’re going to speak to somebody. Also two other great Justices, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Kavanaugh… I never spoke to them about Roe v. Wade. I never spoke to them about election laws. I never spoke to them about anything. And I’ve done the right thing from a moral standpoint. I don’t even know from a legal standpoint, but it was the right thing. I think, depending on what happens with Roe v. Wade, I think that perhaps it could get sent down to the states, and the states would decide. I also think perhaps nothing will happen. I have not talked to her about it. I think it would be inappropriate to talk to her about it. And some people would say, ‘You can talk to about it.’ I just think it would be inappropriate.
GUTHRIE: But what is your preference? Because agreed, that’s not something you should talk to the judge about. But would you like to see Roe versus Wade overturned?
TRUMP: I would like to see a brilliant jurist, a brilliant person who has done this in great depth and has actually skirted this issue for a long time, make a decision. And that’s why I chose her. I think that she’s going to make a great decision. I did not tell her what decision to make. And I think it would be inappropriate to say right now, because I don’t want to do anything to influence her. I want her to get approved, and then I want her to go by the law. And I know she’s going to make a great decision for our country, along with the other two people I put there.
GUTHRIE: You’re running as a pro-life Republican. Most pro-life Republicans would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and abortion banned.
TRUMP: Many of them would. Perhaps most of them would. I am telling you, I don’t want to do anything to influence anything right now. I don’t want to go out tomorrow and say, ‘Oh, he’s trying to give her a signal.’ Because I didn’t speak to her about it. I’ve done the right thing in so doing. How she’s going to rule, you’re going to find out perhaps. Or you might not find out. It may never get there. It may never get there. We’ll see what happens.
GUTHRIE: All right. We have another question. This is Cindy Velez. She is undecided. She says she’s leaning to Biden, and she did vote for Clinton in 2016. She’s registered as a Democrat. Hi Cindy. What’s your question?
Cindy Velez: Good evening, Savannah.
TRUMP: Hi, Cindy. Thank you.
Velez: Good evening, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Thank you very much.
Velez: As the mother of a young male of color, I have reason to respect authority, not only because it’s the right thing to do, but also out of fear that he may face profiling or be considered a criminal. As an educator, I’ve also had similar conversations with my high school students. Mr. President, what will you and your administration do to better prepare our law enforcement officers to work in collaboration with the communities that they serve and also to protect the lives of innocent Black and Latinos from police brutality and injustice?
TRUMP: Right. I fully understand the question, and I saw everything that you saw over the summer. And it was a terrible thing, a terrible thing to watch. We have a Senator named Tim Scott from South Carolina. He came up with a bill that should have been approved. It was great. It was a bill that was strong in terms of law enforcement, and strong in terms of enforcing the proper thing, and doing the proper thing by law enforcement. And the Democrats just wouldn’t go for it. They wouldn’t go for it at all. And I don’t know why, because it was a really great bill. But I do have to say this. And some people don’t like it when I say it, but a lot of people agree. I have done more for the African American community than any president. With the exception of Abraham Lincoln. Criminal justice reform, prison reform, historically Black colleges and universities. I got them funded.
They were on a year to year basis. They could have been put out of business. As soon as our country had a little bad year, they would have said, ‘I’m sorry, we’re not going to fund you.’ I got them year funding and financing. And more than they even asked for. I became very friendly with a lot of the heads. But we’ve done more… And of course, opportunity zones. But criminal justice reform, everybody said it could not be done. President Obama and Biden never even tried to do it. They never even tried. But I say that, and I say it often. I’ll say it loud, and I’m very proud of it. And I have a great relationship because of what I’ve done with the African-American community. I’m very proud of it.
GUTHRIE: Let’s go to our next question. We have Paulette Dale, she leans slightly to Biden. She voted for Clinton in 2016. She’s registered as a Republican. Paulette, what’s your question?
Paulette Dale: Thank you. Good evening, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you very much.
Dale: I have to say, you have a great smile.
TRUMP: Got you. Thank you.
Dale: He does. You’re so handsome when you smile. As the daughter of immigrants to the United States who fled Eastern Europe due to religious persecution, the United States immigration policies are very personal for me.
Dale: Surveys show that most Americans, and the majority of Republicans, support the Dreamers program. So my question for you, Mr. President, is if you are elected to a second term, do you expect to pursue your previous efforts to cut the DACA program?
Dale: Why or why not?
TRUMP: DACA is somewhat different than Dreamers. You understand that, and you understand it better than anybody, probably, in this room. Where do you come from, by the way, originally? Where?
Dale: My grandparents were from Russia and Poland.
TRUMP: That’s very good. Okay. So we are going to take care of DACA. We’re going to take care of Dreamer. It’s working right now. We’re negotiating different aspects of immigration and immigration law. We’ve built now, over miles of border wall, southern border. Mexico is working very closely with us. We have the strongest border we’ve ever had. We want people to come into our country. They have to come in legally. But we are working very hard on the DACA program. And you will be, I think, very happy over the course of the next year.
Dale: Thank you.
TRUMP: Because I feel the same way as you do about it.
Dale: Thank you, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you very much.
GUTHRIE: Mr. President, in point of fact, the DACA program… Under your administration, no new applicants are allowed. And in fact, the DACA recipients now have to renew every year as opposed to every two years. So in fact, the DACA program has been curtailed by your administration.
TRUMP: Well, what happens is because of the pandemic, much changed on the immigration front. Mexico is heavily infected, as you know. And we’ve made it very, very difficult to come in because of the pandemic, and other reasons, and crime. But we have a very strong border right now, and we have to keep it that way. But we want people to come into our country, but they have to come in through a merit system, and they have to come in legally. And people are very, very happy with it. You haven’t heard any complaints about that. But what happened is because of the pandemic, we have to be extra cautious.
GUTHRIE: You have been promising this immigration bill since, well, at least July, when you told my colleague on Telemundo it was coming. But nothing’s come yet.
TRUMP: It’s very happy. The fact is, we got rid of catch and release, which is a disaster. You catch somebody. They could be a murderer. That could be a rapist, and we’re supposed to release them into our country. These are the laws that I inherited. We ended that program. Now, I think you’re going to see something very, very good. The whole immigration… If you look at what’s going on, people used to pour into our country. And especially during the pandemic, I think even you, Savannah, will be very impressed with what we’ve done.
GUTHRIE: Sir, we have about seconds left.
GUTHRIE: I think about people sitting out there tonight. There are some who love you. Some of them are sitting right around here, and some who will never vote for you. But there are people in the middle. There are people who aren’t sure.
TRUMP: That’s right.
GUTHRIE: There are people who want to know why they should give you a second chance and how you might improve in a second term. seconds. What would you say to them?
TRUMP: Because I’ve done a great job. We have the strongest economy in the world. We closed it up. We are coming around the corner. The vaccines are coming out soon, and our economy is strong. We are at a level with jobs like we’ve never been before. We’ve rebuilt our military. We’ve rebuilt our borders. We had no borders. We had no nothing. We’ve rebuilt so much. We’ve given you the greatest tax cut in the history of our country. Greatest regulation cut, equally as important. And we created new levels of jobs that nobody thought was possible. And next year is going to be better than ever before.
GUTHRIE: I got to leave it there. I got a wrap from the control room. Mr. President, thank you for your time.
TRUMP: Thank you very much.
GUTHRIE: Thank you for listening to the voters’ questions. That concludes our town hall. We do want to thank the president again, as well as our audience in hot Miami, and all of you watching at home. And a reminder, Donald Trump and Joe Biden are scheduled to meet in person a week from tonight in Nashville, a second and final presidential debate, moderated by our own Kristen Welker. Have a good evening, and thanks for being with us.